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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 08:10:55 AM »
I left my "hung" Firefox going and when I shutdown the server, it "stopped". As such, it looks like, yet another change that I did actually has been causing this issue.
For right now, all is well, however, all was well for about 12 or so hours, too. :)
Hang in there, it should be fixed as I backed out the last "change" that I did over the past few days.
I appreciate everyone's patience as I tried to make things better... just to make the site run really badly.
Ya know, I should just leave things alone...
What is the fun in that? :)
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 08:14:14 AM »
Quote from: Dolphin on April 21, 2009, 08:09:28 AM
On the other hand....Firefox is hanging big time when it is getting data from external sources such as the off-line avatars, etc.
I have no idea why any configuration of mine would hang the browser (I examined the HTTP headers being sent and received and all looked good). Not only that, but seemingly hang the browser attempting to gain an external resource. I did recreate it and all should be good...
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 08:20:43 AM »
Well, as I have said before...."Thank you Ben Franklin."
 
Thanks for all you do BV.  I know it all frustrating at times, but somehow you always seem to come out on top when battling the internet gremlins.
 
Just wish I had your knowlege and fortitude.
 
Now go have a great day.
 
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 08:22:09 AM »
I think I may have a reason why this is happening.
Things may break for a minute while I test this theory out.
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 08:25:33 AM »
Well whatever you did before "theory testing" seems to have worked.

I'm on line with both IE and Firefox and they are both blazing along just fine now.

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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 08:33:00 AM »
Well, I did break things again from my quick testing.
It seems that I am trying to do things with my test domain (related to my up and coming changes with the main website) that is probably not intended. Namely, setting and reading a cookie for a different domain (blackviper.com) then where it is at (test domain) and including some PHP code from the BBS into said test domain.

That particular aspect has been fixed.
We shall see if that was the real issue. :)
Thanks for your support all!
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 10:08:09 AM »
I haven't had any issues here with Firefox of IE8. 

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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 10:41:48 AM »
Quote from: Black Viper on April 21, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
That particular aspect has been fixed.
We shall see if that was the real issue. :)
Thanks for your support all!
The problem that surfaced yesterday and today brings up a question on page behavior that I have noticed with other forum sites as well. Page links do not seem to function until all external page sources have been satisfied or timed out. Is this a property of forum software, or is it just more noticeable because of the number of foreign sources in forum pages? Or is it a property of PHP? It just seems odd that a Web page should be held hostage because of a foreign reference, especially when it is just an image file. I a not much of a Web page designer, but I have always tried to keep foreign references to a minimum to speed up loading.

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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 11:07:05 AM »
For PHP (and as far as I know, all dynamic pages), the content is generated, sent to a buffer (and usually compressed to save bandwidth) and then the buffer dumped before it is sent across the wire. This is due to HTTP response headers needing to be created and sent before the content. Specific headers (such as Content-Length) needs to be determined before anything is sent to the browser.
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 02:13:05 PM »
B.V.
Out of curiosity, I fired up my network analyzer and captured all the packets from loading your index page. It used 16 different ports to get responses from 11 different sites. Hope you find it useful.

J.A. Coutts

IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64635    80     
GET / HTTP/1.1..Host: bbs.blackviper.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64636    80     
GET /Themes/default/scripts/script.js?rc1 HTTP/1.1 ..Host: bbs.blackviper.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64637    80     
GET /Themes/default/css/ff.css HTT P/1.1..Host: bbs .blackviper.com.
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64638    80     
GET /Themes/default/css/index.css  HTTP/1.1..Host: bbs.blackviper.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64639    80     
GET /Themes/default/css/forum.css  HTTP/1.1..Host:  bbs.blackviper.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64640    80     
GET /Themes/default/images/maintab_first.gif HTTP/ 1.1..Host: bbs.blackviper.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               74.125.53.164            64641    80     
GET /pagead/show_ads.js HTTP/1.1.. Host: pagead2.googlesyndication. com..
IP    192.168.1.4               74.125.53.157            64642    80     
GET /pagead/test_d omain.js HTTP/1. 1..Host: googleads.g.doubleclick .net..
IP    192.168.1.4               67.205.85.77             64643    80     
GET /manage/d/7956 8-1/tlh.jpg HTTP /1.1..Host: www. mypage.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               38.99.76.104             64648    80     
GET /img88/8139/937728803473678e594536so3.jpg HTTP /1.1..Host: img88.imageshack.us.
IP    192.168.1.4               38.101.111.48            64644    80     
GET /img238/1961/archlogoz.png HTTP/1.1..Host: img238.imageshack.us..
IP    192.168.1.4               38.101.111.41            64646    80     
GET /img131/3449/avatar64qk6.jpg HTTP/1.1..Host: img131.imageshack.us..
IP    192.168.1.4               209.17.65.28             64645    80     
GET /albums/c242/FlipperMQ/quackbbs.jpg HTTP/1.1..Host: i28.photobucket.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               192.221.96.126           64647    80     
GET /fuqbro.gif HTTP/1.1..Host: i44.tinypic.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               216.110.208.146          64649    80     
GET /t1.jpg HTTP/1.1..Host: www.renoah.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               74.125.53.164            64651    80     
GET /pagead/sma6.js HTTP/1.1..Host: pagead2.googlesyndication.com..
IP    192.168.1.4               204.127.203.137          64650    80     
GET /avatar.jpg HTTP/1.1..Host: soap75.home.mchsi.com..
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2009, 03:30:12 PM »
Quote from: couttsj on April 21, 2009, 02:13:05 PM
I fired up my network analyzer
Nice output, what analyzer are you using?
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2009, 06:13:33 PM »
Quote from: DJanda on April 21, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Nice output, what analyzer are you using?
It's one that I wrote, and that really is not how the output looks. I just took all the GET requests and isolated the portion you see. It really looks like this (1 packet):

 12   MAC: 00:1D:09:7E:44:A2 --> MAC: 00:A0:C5:24:AA:C0                   
IP    192.168.1.4               71.139.244.137           64636    80     
    0 00:A0:C5:24:AA:C0:00:1D   09:7E:44:A2:08:00:45:00  . ?$??.. .~D?..E.
   16 02:91:07:A5:40:00:80:06   F3:00:C0:A8:01:04:47:8B  .?.?@.?. ?.??..G?
   32 F4:89:FC:7C:00:50:C8:67   1A:ED:FB:39:E1:D3:50:18  ???|.P?g .??9??P.
   48 40:A0:AA:CC:00:00:47:45   54:20:2F:54:68:65:6D:65  @ ??..GE T /Theme
   64 73:2F:64:65:66:61:75:6C   74:2F:73:63:72:69:70:74  s/defaul t/script
   80 73:2F:73:63:72:69:70:74   2E:6A:73:3F:72:63:31:20  s/script .js?rc1
   96 48:54:54:50:2F:31:2E:31   0D:0A:48:6F:73:74:3A:20  HTTP/1.1 ..Host:
  112 62:62:73:2E:62:6C:61:63   6B:76:69:70:65:72:2E:63  bbs.blac kviper.c
  128 6F:6D:0D:0A:55:73:65:72   2D:41:67:65:6E:74:3A:20  om..User -Agent:
  144 4D:6F:7A:69:6C:6C:61:2F   35:2E:30:20:28:57:69:6E  Mozilla/ 5.0 (Win
  160 64:6F:77:73:3B:20:55:3B   20:57:69:6E:64:6F:77:73  dows; U;  Windows
  176 20:4E:54:20:36:2E:30:3B   20:65:6E:2D:55:53:3B:20   NT 6.0;  en-US;
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  224 65:66:6F:78:2F:33:2E:30   2E:38:20:28:2E:4E:45:54  efox/3.0 .8 (.NET
  240 20:43:4C:52:20:33:2E:35   2E:33:30:37:32:39:29:0D   CLR 3.5 .30729).
  256 0A:41:63:63:65:70:74:3A   20:2A:2F:2A:0D:0A:41:63  .Accept:  */*..Ac
  272 63:65:70:74:2D:4C:61:6E   67:75:61:67:65:3A:20:65  cept-Lan guage: e
  288 6E:2D:75:73:2C:65:6E:3B   71:3D:30:2E:35:0D:0A:41  n-us,en; q=0.5..A
  304 63:63:65:70:74:2D:45:6E   63:6F:64:69:6E:67:3A:20  ccept-En coding:
  320 67:7A:69:70:2C:64:65:66   6C:61:74:65:0D:0A:41:63  gzip,def late..Ac
  336 63:65:70:74:2D:43:68:61   72:73:65:74:3A:20:49:53  cept-Cha rset: IS
  352 4F:2D:38:38:35:39:2D:31   2C:75:74:66:2D:38:3B:71  O-8859-1 ,utf-8;q
  368 3D:30:2E:37:2C:2A:3B:71   3D:30:2E:37:0D:0A:4B:65  =0.7,*;q =0.7..Ke
  384 65:70:2D:41:6C:69:76:65   3A:20:33:30:30:0D:0A:43  ep-Alive : 300..C
  400 6F:6E:6E:65:63:74:69:6F   6E:3A:20:6B:65:65:70:2D  onnectio n: keep-
  416 61:6C:69:76:65:0D:0A:52   65:66:65:72:65:72:3A:20  alive..R eferer:
  432 68:74:74:70:3A:2F:2F:62   62:73:2E:62:6C:61:63:6B  http://b bs.black
  448 76:69:70:65:72:2E:63:6F   6D:2F:0D:0A:43:6F:6F:6B  viper.co m/..Cook
  464 69:65:3A:20:42:56:42:42   53:43:6F:6F:6B:69:65:3D  ie: BVBB SCookie=
  480 61:25:33:41:34:25:33:41   25:37:42:69:25:33:41:30  a%3A4%3A %7Bi%3A0
  496 25:33:42:73:25:33:41:33   25:33:41:25:32:32:37:36  %3Bs%3A3 %3A%2276
  512 31:25:32:32:25:33:42:69   25:33:41:31:25:33:42:73  1%22%3Bi %3A1%3Bs
  528 25:33:41:34:30:25:33:41   25:32:32:31:63:64:65:63  %3A40%3A %221cdec
  544 35:38:33:30:35:30:34:33   30:61:31:63:61:38:63:37  58305043 0a1ca8c7
  560 35:35:61:37:66:39:63:35   37:65:37:38:62:61:61:34  55a7f9c5 7e78baa4
  576 31:36:38:25:32:32:25:33   42:69:25:33:41:32:25:33  168%22%3 Bi%3A2%3
  592 42:69:25:33:41:31:34:30   31:32:32:37:36:34:36:25  Bi%3A140 1227646%
  608 33:42:69:25:33:41:33:25   33:42:69:25:33:41:30:25  3Bi%3A3% 3Bi%3A0%
  624 33:42:25:37:44:3B:20:50   48:50:53:45:53:53:49:44  3B%7D; P HPSESSID
  640 3D:6B:62:74:68:63:68:30   64:37:70:31:6E:6F:38:39  =kbthch0 d7p1no89
  656 74:33:37:63:72:61:67:31   68:69:31:0D:0A:0D:0A:    t37crag1 hi1....
   
Let me know if you are interested and I can elaborate further and perhaps send you a copy.

J.A. Coutts
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2009, 09:55:40 PM »
Yes, I'm interested. Part of my "stock in trade" is that I can make things (hardware or software) talk to each other. In recent years, I have been sort of sidetracked, but this is still my first love.
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2009, 09:58:51 PM »
Oops, I forgot, BV, I don't know what you did, but this was the fastest site load I have ever seen. It was pretty much instantaneous. Wow 8)
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Re: Things sure are slow
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2009, 02:12:10 AM »
Quote from: DJanda on April 21, 2009, 09:58:51 PM
Oops, I forgot, BV, I don't know what you did, but this was the fastest site load I have ever seen. It was pretty much instantaneous. Wow 8)
Rocking, good to hear. :)
I will leave things alone for now. :)
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